[quote]"truegreywolf":/users/450680 said: Nah, Raine wore magic suppression enchantments for most of her life, and an outright slave collar for a small part of it with her mother. There's art of her father breaking her out of captivity. Keidran are also known to take slaves, usually other Keidran, but occationally human. It's not just humans that practice slavery, it's just that a human who knows magic can use it *anywhere* while a Keidran is limited to using mana crystals or black mana. So they have overall performed more magical research culturally. There's a even a Keidran templar shown very early in the comic who joined the templar despite anti-keidran biases because he wanted to learn more templar magic. [/quote] So I wasn't referring to Raine's situation specifically, but okay. That doesn't really answer the primary question. My initial assumption regarding the rules of controlling spells could be supported by Rose's attempt to train Raine through use of a Templar slave collar and perhaps in the artwork to which you refer: that items such as slave collars are simply enchanted to affect a specific race. Additionally, it could merely be that instances of humans under the effects of such enchantments have yet to be shown in the comic itself. Raine is very much a special case. I was aware that the humans were not the only race in this setting to practice slavery. That was not in question. It would be interesting to see the other side of the conflict in that way: how the wolves, for instance, handle human slaves or prisoners of war. That there is an ongoing conflict between the two races is still questionable. The human empire has been shown to have uber-powerful mages at its disposal, which Keidran societies appear to lack so far as what is known, and it seems unlikely that said societies could defend themselves against such forces without human (or draconic) assistance as things are now. Even so, to my knowledge, we haven't seen any dragons on the side of any of the Keidran civilizations yet in the comic itself. Given how some of the Keidran societies have been depicted thus far, it would be a questionable direction at best, but I seriously doubt that's what Tom meant to convey. This is ignoring the recent "Mask reconstruction" or whatever plot point suggested by Vanity to explain why the Templar haven't just taken control of everything already. Yes, the ultimate answer to that question could just be that the story has to happen. I dunno, maybe more lore will be provided over time. I am still a relative newcomer to this webcomic.

[quote]"d-sneetch":/users/553701 said: So are the Keidran the only race in the setting affected by controlling magic? It wouldn't make sense to create an object that turns other creatures into one for the purpose of enslavement otherwise. Then again, Rose may just be talking off the top of her head here. Unless I've missed something, the only instances of non-Keidran being affected by that type of magic seem to be with the magic mistletoe, but it's canonicity seems dubious at best. It would be an extremely glaring weakness that doesn't really make sense with what is known so far. The Keidran were apparently created by the Ephemeral mask after humans to balance the scales or whatever, so it seems unlikely that it would give them such a disadvantage on purpose. It could simply be that items like slave collars are just enchanted to affect Keidran specifically, which is what I assumed. Like, how have the various Keidran societies not already been completely subjugated by the human empire or Templar? [/quote] Nah, Raine wore magic suppression enchantments for most of her life, and an outright slave collar for a small part of it with her mother. There's art of her father breaking her out of captivity. Keidran are also known to take slaves, usually other Keidran, but occationally human. It's not just humans that practice slavery, it's just that a human who knows magic can use it *anywhere* while a Keidran is limited to using mana crystals or black mana. So they have overall performed more magical research culturally. There's a even a Keidran templar shown very early in the comic who joined the templar despite anti-keidran biases because he wanted to learn more templar magic.

So are the Keidran the only race in the setting affected by controlling magic? It wouldn't make sense to create an object that turns other creatures into one for the purpose of enslavement otherwise. Then again, Rose may just be talking off the top of her head here. Unless I've missed something, the only instances of non-Keidran being affected by that type of magic seem to be with the magic mistletoe, but it's canonicity seems dubious at best. It would be an extremely glaring weakness that doesn't really make sense with what is known so far. The Keidran were apparently created by the Ephemeral mask after humans to balance the scales or whatever, so it seems unlikely that it would give them such a disadvantage on purpose. It could simply be that items like slave collars are just enchanted to affect Keidran specifically, which is what I assumed. Like, how have the various Keidran societies not already been completely subjugated by the human empire or Templar?

[quote]"anar_isil":/users/242065 said: Plot twist: Rose actually [i]does[/i] know how to get the collar off, and she's just enjoying the chaos after so long alone. [/quote] thumb #1418784 thumb #3364975

Plot twist: Rose actually [i]does[/i] know how to get the collar off, and she's just enjoying the chaos after so long alone.