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"body": "[quote]\"bundtlet32\":/users/2213424 said:\nthere's a lot to unpack here... Not to worry. Our dear friend Evertide will come in to save the day!!!\n\nalright seriously, holy smokes... I have no words for this myself. All I can think with that last panel is, \"what now?\"\n\nedit: once again I find \"this song\":https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwsNewKWNQs to be a fitting piece. if we're lucky, maybe it will change to something \"calmer and nicer...\":https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctR4PQ3hnIs\n[/quote]\n\nI think \"this one\":https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XbGwc4i4-Y&ab_channel=UNDERDOGS would also fit, but for the whole sequence.\n\nI mean... damn.",
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"body": "[quote]\"gleebius_dooblesnorb\":/users/850878 said:\nOH [b][i]S H I T[/i][/b]\n\nangst?? in MY gammainks art??????????????\n\nso many plot twists lmao\n[/quote]\n\nYep, and people are blowing a gasket over the tonal shift",
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"body": "[quote]\"pivo\":/users/15839 said:\nAt the very least I don't think she's made any other conscious decision to kill someone since being captive. She's confident in her [i]ability[/i] to kill since she's done it before (quite possibly even as part of her duties before turning on her captors), but she sure made it sound like it was her last screw coming loose for the first time when she turned on Vanessa and Alex out of pure frustration and paranoia.\n[/quote]\n\nYou see, I would accept that answer and conceid that she hasn't tried to kill anyone before (which ignores the blackmailing, threats of violence and rape, and the sheer glee she takes in ruining lives which I brought up in my other post), except for one thing:\n\n[i]She's having fun while she's try to murder them.[/i]\n\nShe is laughing, making quips out loud and to herself, she's even gave Vanessa a false sense of hope before she summoned her Reflect shield. These aren't the actions of someone who's acting out of frustration, fear, paranoia, anger, or anything else. These are also not the actions of someone who is commiting murder for the first time since she had a mental breakdown and slaughtered the cult that tortured her for years.\n\nThese are the actions of characters like the Joker, Freddy Krueger, or Deadpool, characters who not only have murder countless people, but enjoy it just as much as Mandy was enjoying beating the hell out of Vanessa and Alex. So I'm going to trust that the way gammainks wrote Mandy is correct and that she was having the time of her life when she threw Vanessa into the air while hoping she landed with a splat in front of her boyfriend, and those aren't the actions of someone who was pushed over the edge, those are the actions of someone who didn't want her victims to escape her grasp and was willing to kill them for simply not wanting to be her targets for torture.",
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"body": "Awwww ): I feel really bad for her, Gammainks making the best stories, I love this!! ",
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"body": "[quote]\"onlyobione\":/users/2279366 said:\n2) Who to say that Vanessa and Alex are her first victims? I admit this is more speculative than anything but thoughout this comic, Mandy has been confident with her blackmail and murder attempt (until it backfire of her), and she's done it with such proficiency that could only come from experience. And given that she's not in prison and so confident about her plans proves that she's gotten away with her cruelty in the past.\n[/quote]\n\nAt the very least I don't think she's made any other conscious decision to kill someone since being captive. She's confident in her [i]ability[/i] to kill since she's done it before (quite possibly even as part of her duties before turning on her captors), but she sure made it sound like it was her last screw coming loose for the first time when she turned on Vanessa and Alex out of pure frustration and paranoia.",
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"body": "OH [b][i]S H I T[/i][/b]\n\nangst?? in MY gammainks art??????????????\n\nso many plot twists lmao",
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"body": "[quote]\"evertide\":/users/413578 said:\nI hope They, one way or another, come back someday too so we can get some answers. And so, if anyone has a chance to fight a worse evil and purge the sins from her own soul, it's Mandy. But I'm more than satisfied with what we've been given. And if Jolteon or Flareon Partner have their own plot points and drama but on a smaller scale, won't hear a single complaint from me. I have my own little ideas for Bianca, too, and why she is the way that she is that could make her comic (if she gets one) have obstacles for her to overcome.\n[/quote]\n\nI'm definitely hoping for that as well. I feel as if any of the members of the organization from the past show up, it would have to be one of the two main members who have been given some kind of unique distinction from the rest of the faceless masses. That being the head female running the place as the administrator, and the tall sneering man. Either one, or both, could be brought back in the future fully realized and fleshed out as potential villains (Perhaps with some visible scars/prosthetic limbs after what Mandy did to them). Though at the end of the day this is all just wishful thinking on my end. I just think it would be a shame to hype up this nefarious secret organization only to destroy it as quickly as it was brought up.\n\n",
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"body": "[quote]\"jackthelegend\":/users/2279632 said:\nCuz apparently Gamminks is everyone's lord and savior and as much i love him for making Fubuki,Alex,Marron the farmer girl leafeon, Vanessa,Valerie, Alex and Dylan,he's dragging us by our nuts with this crap.\n\nCool dude. Probably sees all these comments and knows I'm getting cooked and knows I dont care and neither should he,but goddamn do I need to see Vanessa's thick ass in a wedding dress with them garter belt white stockings. \n\nIf there's one thing I love about the man: his wholesome vibes. \n\nI dont do NTR,Cheating,Cuckold,Netori,Netorarse etc. I would never forgive myself for getting so hooked on to this man if he did some hurtful shit like that. \n\nI can't. I cannot bro. Wholesome vibes gives me hope that maybe there's hope for even my crazy ass but I'll be damned if he ruins all that shit\n[/quote]\n\nAre you okay? I ask this in the best possible of faiths and with absolutely zero judgment in my words whatsoever, but my curiosity is piqued. How much of a concern for you is this comic, the path its story is currently going down, and its rate of update?",
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"body": "Somehow, this comic keeps finding new limits to break, and with this latest part, it's easily broken the limit for interaction: Not counting comments on the first three pieces, this has over 100 comments in less than a day, and as of this comment, still rapidly rising. Not that I watch closely, but not even big parts like the \"Vanessa snaps\" and \"Mandy about to be finished\" pages came close to this many this quickly, let alone already being exceeded here.\n\nHow are you doing this, Gamma? Reveal your secrets!\n\n\n[section=Abbreviating for convenience, replying to a couple things]\n[quote]\"bundtlet32\":/users/2213424 said:\nthere's a lot to unpack here... Not to worry. Our dear friend Evertide will come in to save the day!!!\n\nalright seriously, holy smokes... I have no words for this myself. All I can think with that last panel is, \"what now?\"\n\nedit: once again I find \"this song\":https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwsNewKWNQs to be a fitting piece. if we're lucky, maybe it will change to something \"calmer and nicer...\":https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctR4PQ3hnIs\n[/quote]\n\nI've been \"unpacking,\" or more accurately giving my own interpretations and thoughts, on the other parts too, but if you were really looking for me, well, \"*points above*\":https://e621.net/posts/5639677#comment-9118439\n\nThanks for mentioning me, but my reactions are no better or worse than yours, you know, so take it all in and share your own too :)\n\n[quote]\"yangyin\":/users/1291285 said:\n[section=To put them in the same place]\nShe hurt the ones she loved in order to protect them from the organization.\n\nThinking her firmly in their clutches, they decided she was far better as a weapon than she was a breeder and gave her a stone to unlock her true potential.\n\nIn their arrogance, they believed her to be fully under their control. Just like the \"Good old days\" back at the facility.\n\nBut in the end, that arrogance proved to be their undoing.\n\nAnd for their actions, they paid the ultimate price.\n\n---\n\nSo, from the looks of it, Mandy was working for the organization for a while after breaking up with Dylan and assaulting Valerie.\n\nIt would have been only after she evolved into a Gardevoir (They let her because they were no longer interested in breeding her) that they gave her the mega stone. It would have been pointless to give her it unless she evolved first. Just makes me wonder how long it would have been between evolving and offering the stone.\n\nThis potentially leaves a lot of gaps chronologically between Mandy rejoining the organization and her killing her tormentors. What was the organization using her for if they were not using her for breeding? What other projects was the organization doing alongside the breeding program? What was the end goal of the breeding program? Who was funding the research? Who exactly were They anyway?\n\nQuestions, questions, questions.\n\nWith the supposed destruction of the organization and the death of it's members, we may never know. If they were funded by an outside organization, then I fear that whatever they were doing will not end with them. Another organization may spring up, and more of Them may come to continue the work their predecessors left behind. \n\nPerhaps one of Them survived Mandy's wrath (Though not without some kind of disfigurement) and has begun working on rebuilding the organization from the ashes of the old.\nPerhaps it was the head female, perhaps not. Regardless, I'll be disappointed if gamma doesn't elaborate on exactly what these guys were doing for all these years. It could make for a good\nstory arc, with all the partners working together (with a reformed Mandy) to take down the true heads of the organization once and for all. \n\nAnyway. After all that, I genuinely hope Mandy does indeed get reformed after all this. As I said before, the girl needs a hug after what she's been through. And from the looks of it, Vanessa might be in the perfect position to give her one.\n\n---\n\nAdmittedly, them being ghosts was only a theory of mine, though I still think they look the way they do due to her own psychological trauma not allowing her to remember them as anything other than terrifying monsters.\n[/section]\n[/quote]\n\nI've found myself thinking many of the same things you have, especially after reading your comments on this whole flashback sequence, and I think you have some great ideas. For instance, wondering if Mandy got [i]all[/i] of them, or at least enough of them that she's sure she did, hence why she's not living in hiding. But what if at least one got away, either from her or she dealt a huge enough blow that they're still recovering but there are others still in the shadows?\n\nAnd for that matter, what about any other kids who may have yet survived, what are their fates? Did any of them escape when she got her revenge? Did any escape when she broke free the first time? Or are there any still under someone's control?\n\nAnd while her purpose in this whole plan is still up to reader interpretation as of now, my guesses are: An ideal battler, a tool/weapon to be used for committing other crimes, a future soldier in an army, or as we've both guessed, breeding stock to make the perfect offspring to fill those roles. And none of them are mutually exclusive even if she has more optimal use in one role or another. Besides, you can bet They still used threats against Valerie and Dylan to keep her under control, though she looks pretty well broken. Who's to say what she did during that time?\n\nIt still makes my stomach churn (yes I know this is fiction but I feel slightly physically ill) to think she might have had to produce at least one \"perfect IVs/nature/inherited moves\"-type offspring who's out there somewhere.\n\nI hope They, one way or another, come back someday too so we can get some answers. And so, if anyone has a chance to fight a worse evil and purge the sins from her own soul, it's Mandy. But I'm more than satisfied with what we've been given. And if Jolteon or Flareon Partner have their own plot points and drama but on a smaller scale, won't hear a single complaint from me. I have my own little ideas for Bianca, too, and why she is the way that she is that could make her comic (if she gets one) have obstacles for her to overcome.\n\nAs for what Vanessa is going to do now? Heck if I know. Maybe share some painful memory of her own with Mandy, if a shorter one, to show a time when she saw no future worth living and was ready to end it all, herself, but she didn't and ever since, she's known she was right not to. Or she'll slay Mandy's innermost monster that we're seeing here, at least to show Mandy that inner demons have to be fought, which maybe breaks Mandy's psychic powers.\n\nI maintain my opinion that Mandy is unfixable. After her childhood in captivity, she'd had too much damage done to her during many of her developmental years that I can't see her ever fully healing. This has only cemented it further. But after seeing her during the Dylan/Valerie years, and seeing that she gave her life for the people she loved (in enough of a way that I think it's true enough), I'm still not convinced she's unsavable.\n\nOf course, whatever Gamma wants to do is up to Gamma, and if they say there's going to be a long break before doing anything more elaborate than the traditional Partners for a while, highly understandable. They overdelivered beyond reckoning with this one.\n[/section]\n\n[section=And since people have been talking about their mental playlists, sharing mine. I rarely have music in my head when I'm reading a story, but this has been too dramatic not to. You're welcome to tell me my tastes are crap; my flame shields are still up.]\nIn order:\nVanessa snaps: \"But The Earth Refused To Die\" - Undertale\nThe battle: \"Vs. 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"body": "[quote]\"keon\":/users/32217 said:\nI know I'm gonna sound like a massive asshole... I miss the wholesome plot. Gammainks definitely got a vision but holy shit this got waaaaaay crazy!.\n\nArtwork is still amazing, dont get it twisted!\n[/quote]\n\nAs much as I enjoy this plot, I do hope the next Partner comics are more... [i]traditional[/i].",
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"body": "goes to show villains aren't born, they're made",
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"body": "[quote]\"faggotryconfirmed420\":/users/389524 said:\nIt's really exhausting to be waiting for the free updates to the comic (haven't even looked in the direction of gamma's patreon yet) and seeing all these impatient ass people throwing bitch fits at every opportunity because suddenly the wholesome porn comic isn't wholesome and there isn't any sex going on or the villain of the story actually has a story of her own, assuming the absolute worst of the outcome\nI'm just here because gamma draws anthro pokemon really well and this comic sunk it's claws into me because I like the office attire\n[/quote]\n\nAmen.\nI would like to see Mandy get her redemption because I want to see a good ending.\nThat does not mean that there is suddenly rainbows everywhere or that Vanessa suddenly kisses Mandy.\nMandy needs to pay for the damage she has done, but just killing her (like someone desperately wishes) is way to easy and not Gammas style.\nHis storys are hopeful ones.....not something like sin city.",
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"body": "[quote]\"jackthelegend\":/users/2279632 said:\nCuz he ain't. We started with Vanessa now we getting Mandy's backstory. As if the bitch needed one. \n[/quote]\n\nIf Gamma can't write a good story then why are you still here?\nTo shit on people liking what you don't like?\nTo shit on a artist for no reason other not bending to your will?\nIs your live so god damn shitty that you have nothing better to do than to piss people off on the internet?\nIf so please seek help.....honestly.",
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"body": "[quote]\"pivo\":/users/15839 said:\nThe penny just never drops for you, does it.\n\nTo be a bit more constructive with my pithy remark, you could really stand to take a chill pill about this whole thing and learn a mote of patience. There is zero indication that Gamma is taking any form of feedback or inspiration from these stupid comment chains so you're not helping, you're not adding anything to the discussion by basically chanting KILL THE BITCH or LOCK HER UP, and if anything comes to pass in the manner you insist whether satisfactory or otherwise, people will find it either satisfactory or otherwise on its own merits and not because you said so.\n\nAnd if you're just gonna barge in here again once it's come to pass while screaming I TOLD YOU SO, that's not gonna earn you any upvotes either. So seriously, chill the fuck down and let the man cook.\n[/quote]\n\nI think that gamma scripted this whole story even before he returned to it with part 17",
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"body": "[quote]\"jackthelegend\":/users/2279632 said:\nLook all I'm saying is that if Mandy get offs scott free. I'm blaming you and chat for this ending we about to get. So get ready. \n[/quote]\n\nBlame who you want but seriously stop being such an ass to everyone.\nLike I said you sir have problems....also is your \"get ready\" supposed to be some kind of threat?\n\nAnyway hope you have good day, you seem to need it.",
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"body": "Why is there beef in this comment section ðŸ˜",
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"body": "[quote]\"jackthelegend\":/users/2279632 said:\nGlad you understand \n[/quote]\n\nThe penny just never drops for you, does it.\n\nTo be a bit more constructive with my pithy remark, you could really stand to take a chill pill about this whole thing and learn a mote of patience. There is zero indication that Gamma is taking any form of feedback or inspiration from these stupid comment chains so you're not helping, you're not adding anything to the discussion by basically chanting KILL THE BITCH or LOCK HER UP, and if anything comes to pass in the manner you insist whether satisfactory or otherwise, people will find it either satisfactory or otherwise on its own merits and not because you said so.\n\nAnd if you're just gonna barge in here again once it's come to pass while screaming I TOLD YOU SO, that's not gonna earn you any upvotes either. So seriously, chill the fuck down and let the man cook.",
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"body": "[quote]\"tf2_heavy\":/users/112262 said:\nhonestly i don't like Mandy and could care less if she survives or dies and i've been saying if a redemption happens it will be a long arduous one (if it will happen at all) plus while i feel bad for her past self and not her current one she still needs to own up to the damages she caused\n[/quote]\n\nIt's really exhausting to be waiting for the free updates to the comic (haven't even looked in the direction of gamma's patreon yet) and seeing all these impatient ass people throwing bitch fits at every opportunity because suddenly the wholesome porn comic isn't wholesome and there isn't any sex going on or the villain of the story actually has a story of her own, assuming the absolute worst of the outcome\nI'm just here because gamma draws anthro pokemon really well and this comic sunk it's claws into me because I like the office attire",
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"body": "[quote]\"faggotryconfirmed420\":/users/389524 said:\nIt's like I've been saying, don't be throwing a fit because the story is multi-faceted. This isn't a case of the artist ruining their comic with topics it \"didn't need\" or \"bogging down the run with shitty characters\"\nThis is a case of butthurt losers who can't just sit patiently and wait to see what happens next without ASSUMING the quick redemption arc is gonna happen and have to bitch and moan through the whole process, souring the experience for everyone\n\nI didn't like Mandy showing up in the middle of my slice of life comic to start the blackmail and potential NTR subplots either, but at least Mandy's bitch ass got the chip knocked off her shoulder\n[/quote]\n\nhonestly i don't like Mandy and could care less if she survives or dies and i've been saying if a redemption happens it will be a long arduous one (if it will happen at all) plus while i feel bad for her past self and not her current one she still needs to own up to the damages she caused",
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"body": "[quote]\"tf2_heavy\":/users/112262 said:\ndude can't apparently comprehend the word storytelling\n[/quote]\n\nI know right, When did furries start being media illiterate?",
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"body": "On another note, THIS ISN'T THE SAME WORLD AS OUR OWN, the laws are BOUND to be different in one way or another",
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"body": "[quote]\"faggotryconfirmed420\":/users/389524 said:\nThe backstory reveal was inevitable, especially with Mandy constantly talking about how \"I would know how cutthroat the world is\" and other type shit, Plus Vanessa and Mandy are both psychics so the memory slideshow is the best way to get the backstory out that gamma hinted to earlier in the comic\nThere's no dialogue other than Vanessa Wondering what happened and why she's seeing this shit, everything else is just Mandy's life up until this point\nWill it affect Vanessa's view of Mandy? Yes\nWill she suddenly forgive her for what she did to her and Alex and give the bitch a hug? Absolutely not\n[/quote]\n\ndude can't apparently comprehend the word storytelling",
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"body": "[quote]\"jackthelegend\":/users/2279632 said:\nTell me bro. How do you feel innocent people getting raped in prison? I would LOVE to see what imaginary world where prisons attempt to rebillatate it's inmates but just like Mandy. Not everyone can be fixed. \n\nI also curious what German prisons got compared to American Prisons. \n[/quote]\n\nfirst you come with this [quote]\"jackthelegend\":/users/2279632 said:\nYou're German? that explains alot. 😬\n[/quote] and then expect me to explain shit to you? screw that\n\n\n\n",
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"body": "[quote]\"jackthelegend\":/users/2279632 said:\nCuz he ain't. We started with Vanessa now we getting Mandy's backstory. As if the bitch needed one. \n[/quote]\n\nThe backstory reveal was inevitable, especially with Mandy constantly talking about how \"I would know how cutthroat the world is\" and other type shit, Plus Vanessa and Mandy are both psychics so the memory slideshow is the best way to get the backstory out that gamma hinted to earlier in the comic\nThere's no dialogue other than Vanessa Wondering what happened and why she's seeing this shit, everything else is just Mandy's life up until this point\nWill it affect Vanessa's view of Mandy? Yes\nWill she suddenly forgive her for what she did to her and Alex and give the bitch a hug? Absolutely not",
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"body": "[quote]\"jackthelegend\":/users/2279632 said:\nCuz he ain't. We started with Vanessa now we getting Mandy's backstory. As if the bitch needed one. \n[/quote]\n\nsays who? you just because you don't like what's here? if that's so then leave nobody forces you to stay",
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"body": "[quote]\"jackthelegend\":/users/2279632 said:\nTHANK YOU. SEE THIS IS COMMMON SENSE. 20 years to life? I been told yall this shit. \n[/quote]\n\n\n\n[quote]\"jackthelegend\":/users/2279632 said:\nTHANK YOU. SEE THIS IS COMMMON SENSE. 20 years to life? I been told yall this shit. \n[/quote]\n\nwho the fuck is \"y'all\" I've been trying to tell people she's not getting away Scott free, you're the one raving about how gamma isn't capable of writing a good ending to this shit",
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"body": "[quote]\"jackthelegend\":/users/2279632 said:\nYou're German? that explains alot. 😬\n[/quote]\n\nReally? really now that's all you can think of?",
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"body": "[quote]\"kotosuccy\":/users/1297684 said:\ncome for the porn stay for the full-length manga\n[/quote]\n\nFr, same",
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"body": "[quote]\"xxsnake69xx\":/users/988044 said:\nSo... DXL reincarnated?\n[/quote]\n\nsure as hell seems like it",
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"body": "So... DXL reincarnated?",
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"body": "[quote]\"jackthelegend\":/users/2279632 said:\nAnd you know this how? Cuz I could sworn they're there to keep the worst of the worst locked up. And they shouldn't. \n\nLook who yall fools voted as our fucking president. We stuck with that clown cuz yall worship that orange cheeto fat looking mf. \n\nMeanwhile his bf Musk be confused as hell thinking he know how to run a country vs running his damn failures of companies. \n[/quote]\n\nI'm German ya asshat (thank you for thinking only Americans use the internet) and Prisons here (well all in Europe generally) help you to reintegrate into society instead of throwing you out on your ass when your time is up or use you for cheap labor like American Prisons do. and keeping the worst of the worst locked up should be common sense but you think people only go to jail for murder and other just as hard stuff? think again ",
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"body": "[quote]\"jackthelegend\":/users/2279632 said:\nThat's EXACTLY what this shit is. Gammainks is about to give the dumbass fanbase the most sorriest redemption of all fiction. He already had Mandy killed her tormentors. She's covered in fucking blood for fycks sake. Let's go all the way and let the bitch rot in jail or off herself.\n\nBut he knows he can't nor do he know how. \n[/quote]\n\nwhy are you just assuming Gamma is bending to the fanbase? it's nowhere (here or their Patreon) to be implied that that's the case they are writing the story how they want not how we want. and you want to know why people think you're that dante guy? you're just as hung up on Mandy getting into prison or killed like he is well was",
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"body": "But it refused 🙂",
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"body": "On an unrelated note to this comic, I'm looking forward to the knights endeavor comic because I'm loving the designs of the characters. ",
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"body": "I just want to share my thoughts as well cause this comic kept me thinking.\n\nThis part shows that's Mandy has killed her tormentors so question.\n \nWhy did she attack Alex and Vanessa? To tie up loose ends? Out of pettiness because her blackmail failed? \n\nI've been reading a lot of the comments and I feel like Mandy does not deserve forgiveness for what she has done.\n\nYes she had a hellish life and was forced to push her friends for their own safety but there's just this aching feeling that I do not want Mandy to be forgiven at least not immediately.\n\nWanna share some scenarios for future pages\n\n1. Mandy gets arrested and gets rehabilitated, and through time (visits from Vanessa, Alex, Valeria, Dylan), Mandy slowly heals.\n\n2. Vanessa and Alex let go of Mandy and she ultimately leave and states that she will resign and leave the company and the couple, and maybe in future comics, Mandy returns looking healthy, happy and thankful that she was given mercy \n\n3. And this is unlikely considering Gammainks style is more wholesome, that Mandy continued to attack Vanessa which leaves her no choice but to end her, which for Mandy's final moments she says thanks as her suffering ends\n\nI know this was already shared from other comments, just want to get it out of my head.\n\nWhatever comes next I do hope the first one is what happens cause it meant that Mandy paid for her crimes but still gets the chance to be better\n\nThanks for reading my thoughts and opinion",
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"body": "[quote]\"gojirafox\":/users/491126 said:\nSomething just hit me...pokemon can't Mega Evolve on their own. Mega Stones are always a pair they need to be activated by the other, unless your a legendary or the story says you can....THIS WHOLE THING WAS A SET UP. Especially this part, the attempted killing. Looking back we never see Mandy with any actual proof of Vanny and Alex in the closet, no video, no pictures, no sound record, NOTHING. For all we really know Mandy was bullshitting from the start she never had anything on them and also how bullshit it is that she only just realized that Valerie and Vanessa are sisters now that we see how close they were (unless the topic of family never came up) which means she never hated Vanessa. And now looking at how Mandy acts and looks whenever the shadow figures force her to do something she doesn't want to its almost a 1 to 1 of how she treated Danny and Valerie. Forced smile, dilated puplis, and acts of cruelty. Remember folks the end of Jolly and events of Stern take a long time between each other, even the \"blackmail\" arc is over a couple of days. But thats just a theory\n[/quote]\n\nyes a partly bad theory. In \"part 26\":https://e621.net/posts/5379713?pool_id=42852 she says they're related (we don't know in what way though) and in the same part she also says she doesn't like Vanessa (also Mandy doesn't come across as someone who bullshits to get what they want). And no we don't know the timeframe between Jolly and Stern partner for all we know the ending of Jolly Partner might have happened at the same time as the beginning parts of Stern Partner or even more overlap who knows but Gammainks",
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"body": "[quote]\"pivo\":/users/15839 said:\n\nDon't get me wrong, Mandy getting off scot-free doesn't seem like a good idea even if Vanessa manages to somehow talk her down fully. Then again, prison isn't designed to rehabilitate. If she ends up there I could only see that making things even worse, possibly even adding to her body count in the long run. This is a [i]really[/i] damn delicate situation.\n[/quote]\n\nno, Prisons are actually designed to rehabilitate just that the US makes too much bank with it and thus has no drive to rehabilitate people",
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"body": "[quote]\"tf2_heavy\":/users/112262 said:\ni heavily doubt that as unlike Mandy Vanessa has a loving family. also what caused Vanessa to be that way in the beginning? easy a high stressing office job (remember that she knows that they're understaffed when Alex joins and the implication that she always did overtime or straight up spend entire nights there working) will do that to ya (besides the company sounds like a black company in japan)\n\n\n[/quote]\n\nOhh you are right...totally forgot about the understaffed part.\nI also might read to much into it.....corporate live is no walk in the park after all.\nQuestion....what is a black company?\nI can guess what it means but please tell me.",
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"body": "[quote]\"jackthelegend\":/users/2279632 said:\nAnd? He's right tho. It's not my fault that yall think applying forgiveness to a bitch who killed her tormentors,assaulted Valerie,cheated on Dylan,Tried to sexortion with Alex and even attempted against Vanessa and Alex.\n\nNo shit sherlock,What the fuck did you expect?? Like I said,Mandy's mind is too far gone. Either let her off herself or let her rot in jail where she can no longer get out ever again. \n\nThis isn't My Little Pony. You can't keep this forgiveness/pacifism bullshit going forever. You need to fucking wake up and realize that SOME people can NOT be saved. \n\nI'm sorry but it's true. Idgaf if Gamminks proves wrong me or not. Cuz if he doesn't,he doesn't have the balls to write a character getting killed off besides Mandy's tormentors. \n\n\n\n\n[/quote]\n\nbruh what the fuck the cheating thing has already been debunked in the last few pages god fucking dammit. now it makes me really think you're that other guy because he was also so hung up on the cheating thing.\n\n[quote]\"br33d3r\":/users/470149 said:\nHow am I a coward?\nPlease explain, because now I think you are like Mandy....a person with problems.\nBeen going out lately....it is great.....many different people with different opinions that don't start hurling insults at each other.\n\n[/quote]\n\ndamn he really do be sounding like that other guy who went the coward route when nobody agreed with him anymore",
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"body": "[quote]\"jackthelegend\":/users/2279632 said:\nNeither do you. You want her to get off scott free. Fucking coward. What Gamminks needs to do is end this shit so I never see this failure of a Gardevoir on my mf screen. \n\nNegative points be damned. \n[/quote]\n\nHow am I a coward?\nPlease explain, because now I think you are like Mandy....a person with problems.\nBeen going out lately....it is great.....many different people with different opinions that don't start hurling insults at each other.\n",
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"body": "[quote]\"faggotryconfirmed420\":/users/389524 said:\nThat redemption will be really hard fought, I'm not sure if all the yiff has made it to where some folks on here are just stupid, but i never got the idea that anyone wants a quick redemption arc just because gamma made sure to give Mandy a deep backstory, let alone that the redemption would happen before she served time for what she did to Alex and Vanessa \n[/quote]\n\nOh, it would feel very cheap if it wasn't hard fought, to be sure. I just want it to be possible, and to see the very first steps of it shown here, so that all of this can end on a hopeful note, with everything fixed for Vanessa and Alex, and Mandy having the first baby steps of making things right. Maybe her arc could be its own comic. Or maybe Gammainks, with the focus on generally light hearted stories, could just end Mandy's story on that hopeful note and move back to more overtly sweeter things. It just needs to have a little light of hope there to fit with the generally optimistic and sweet tone of Gamma's stories, I believe.",
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"body": "[quote]\"hentaitime87\":/users/1599420 said:\nI really hope Gammainks threads the needle of having Mandy need to atone and face justice for the crap she's done while also being able to be redeemed and come out the other side at least capable of having a happy ending. Redemption stories are so beautiful but hard to write; I like to think Gamma could make it work.\n[/quote]\n\nThat redemption will be really hard fought, I'm not sure if all the yiff has made it to where some folks on here are just stupid, but i never got the idea that anyone wants a quick redemption arc just because gamma made sure to give Mandy a deep backstory, let alone that the redemption would happen before she served time for what she did to Alex and Vanessa ",
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"body": "[quote]\"jackthelegend\":/users/2279632 said:\nRight...she's going out some way. Jail is too easy for her and you know it. \n\n[/quote]\n\nAlright smart guy, I'm sure if someone pays gamma enough, they'll do exactly that. To hell with deeper meanings or even complicated situations, just blow the bitch's brains out in one comic panel \n\nWouldn't that be an EXCEPTIONAL end of the storyline, definitely not at all a waste of both time AND potential",
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"body": "[quote]\"faggotryconfirmed420\":/users/389524 said:\nObviously she isn't going to go to jail for life, clearly no one's cared about the shapeless people she killed that experimented on her otherwise she wouldn't have been out and about to blackmail or attempt murder. Mandy's redemption isn't going to be some cheap and easy \"I had a dark backstory, i did awful things to you and your partner but I see the error of my ways now\" slop\nAnd I HIGHLY doubt that Mandy's just gonna get put down like some rabid dog\n[/quote]\n\nAnd TRUST me, there are more people who have said something along the lines of \"this character has had their backstory shown, that DEFINITELY means he/she is gonna get away with all the crimes they committed\"",
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"body": "[quote]\"jackthelegend\":/users/2279632 said:\nStart from when we first saw Mandy first the very first time abd she started blackmailing Alex to this exact point. Watch ALL the comments especially where most talked about: [i]oh the bitch deserves a second chance. \n[/i]\n\nNo tf she doesn't. She's too far gone . At least she'll be happy she'll free from life of pain if she offs herself and or she possibly going to jail for life. \n\n[/quote]\n\nObviously she isn't going to go to jail for life, clearly no one's cared about the shapeless people she killed that experimented on her otherwise she wouldn't have been out and about to blackmail or attempt murder. Mandy's redemption isn't going to be some cheap and easy \"I had a dark backstory, i did awful things to you and your partner but I see the error of my ways now\" slop\nAnd I HIGHLY doubt that Mandy's just gonna get put down like some rabid dog",
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"body": "[quote]\"jackthelegend\":/users/2279632 said:\nTell that to all the dumbasses who clearly say otherwise. \n[/quote]\n\nWhere? Please give me the receipts, since you're clearly up to date",
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"body": "[quote]\"jackthelegend\":/users/2279632 said:\nNeither do you. You want her to get off scott free. Fucking coward. What Gamminks needs to do is end this shit so I never see this failure of a Gardevoir on my mf screen. \n\nNegative points be damned. \n[/quote]\n\nBut \n\n[quote]\"jackthelegend\":/users/2279632 said:\nNeither do you. You want her to get off scott free. Fucking coward. What Gamminks needs to do is end this shit so I never see this failure of a Gardevoir on my mf screen. \n\nNegative points be damned. \n[/quote]\n\nOh geez, you really are a fucking idiot aren't you? Just because someone got to see a slideshow of this bitch's memories every two braincell having lizard thinks she isn't going to be punished for what she did to Vanessa and Alex AT LEAST",
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"body": "[quote]\"jackthelegend\":/users/2279632 said:\nBro this shit been going on for fucking FOREVER. We in too fucking deep for people to calm down. I came for wholesome shit and cute shit that gave me hope in humanity now we getting backstory for an evil bitch who tried to kill one of my favorite characters and her man in the Gammainks alongside the fact we know why Valerie hates Mandy because the fact she ASSAULTED her. \n\nYeah bro it's too late for us to calm down. We need this shit to end.\n[/quote]\n\nYou're literally acting like someone not mature enough to handle multiple topics in one comic run, I will freely admit that I began reading this comic because I liked the slice of life vibes where Vanessa starts as a burnt out office worker who got a chance to be happy again \nBut you GOTTA realize that gamma wants this particular comic run to be more than what it started out as, and throwing a hissy fit because it's not wholesome anymore only makes you look immature ",
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"body": "Geez wait until Valerie learns about this. ",
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"body": "Calm down people it is just a work of fiction that we can all enjoy. Well.....not sure everyone is mature enough to enjoy this sadly. BUT I am really enjoying the story so far and am excited to see what happens next ^^ Strange how this went from porn to a full blow story.",
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"body": "[quote]\"onlyobione\":/users/2279366 said:\nBut she didn't. She did what she did, and while her lore dump explains some of the reasons she did it, in my eyes, [i]It doesn't justify a damn thing she done to Vanessa.[/i]\n[/quote]\n\nOf course it's not justified. Still, it's ultimately on Vanessa (and Alex) to forgive her for, or not.\n\nDon't get me wrong, Mandy getting off scot-free doesn't seem like a good idea even if Vanessa manages to somehow talk her down fully. Then again, prison isn't designed to rehabilitate. If she ends up there I could only see that making things even worse, possibly even adding to her body count in the long run. This is a [i]really[/i] damn delicate situation.\n\n[quote]\"yangyin\":/users/1291285 said:\nAdmittedly, them being ghosts was only a theory of mine, though I still think they look the way they do due to her own psychological trauma not allowing her to remember them as anything other than terrifying monsters.\n[/quote]\n\nThis is likely quite accurate. Trauma tends to burn certain details into your memory with a laser focus, while muddying or borderline deleting others. If you feel sufficiently violated by someone and those feelings never find proper resolution it's remarkably easy to build someone up in your head as some kind of personal boogeyman even if the incident was something comparatively less scarring or downright unintentional. Even if Mandy were able to mentally withstand recalling any of her captors' faces initially, we now know she [i]fucking killed them all[/i]. Of course her memory is going to blur that as best it can.",
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"body": "[quote]\"straightupmia\":/users/474133 said:\nIt's interesting imagery but it's a little hard to tell the exact chronology.\nLike how long ago did they destroy all those \"people\" using her? Was it long ago and she tried to be \"normal\" alone (and failed miserably)? Did she only recently do it?\nIt seems like a lot of it is still 100% her fault for perpetuating a lot of outlandishly petty and outright evil workplace drama/blackmail. Mandy seems to have exhausted a lot of effort in being outright spiteful and vengeful. I used to hate the world pretty deeply myself but that sort of thing takes way too much energy to maintain especially if there isn't something actively sustaining it.\nJust feels like there's a massive disconnect between this flashback and her motivation is all. I'm just not picturing it.\n\nI feel like I should try to elaborate.\nHer motivation seems to have been keeping her friends safe, and does regret putting on a show and trying to hurt them.\nBut then she's genuinely trying to fight them even after destroying the people trying to blackmail her. Was her motivation tied to the people she killed trying to make her do the workplace drama? Why not destroy them and be done with it? She goes way out of her way to destroy someone who barely had any relation to her in the first place aside from Valerie's poking the metaphorical hornet's nest, which defeats the purpose of her trying to protect her friends.\nShe didn't seem too maliciously prideful outside of the workplace drama, in these flashbacks she seems normal and that's how she \"really\" feels.\nIt just isn't really translating well to me because she goes from trying to keep her friends safe to trying to hurt someone close to them.\n[/quote]\n\nI think I got it!\nThe mega stone is the culprit.\nMandy killed her tormentors after using the stone (probably getting a few nuts unscrewed in the process).\nNow, it either was that or that sudden rush of power gave her a feeling she only had back then with Dylan and Valerie...she felt safe.\nAt least safer, plus this was her own power.....maybe she was shocked what she could do and tried to stop using it.\nBut the problem with gaining power after not having any....it changes you.\n\nI guess she started relying on the stone....to give her the feeling that she can solve her problems.\nOvertime this turned her into someone who is expecting things to go her way....with force if necessary (at least that's what we got too see)\n\nWe might never get the full picture, this flashbacks are more than enough that any number of scenarios is possible.\nStill I think my hunch is right....after all even in official Pokemon lore, Mega Evolution is dangerous and changes the personality of the Pokemon.",
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"body": "Okay.....so Mandy was forced into whatever....ran away, found Dylan and Valerie......became their friend, became happy....but her past came back.\nThey forced her to return, maybe threatened to do something too Dylan and Valerie.....so she hurt them as much as possible to protect them, sacrificing her happiness.\nThen they gave her the mega stone.....and when she used it, she lost control and killed them all.\n\nSoo.....why was Mandy being such a bitch when her tormentors are dead?\nWas it a bigger group or company (thinking Silph corp.) or made the forced mega evolution make her go nuts with power?\n\nAnd how will Vanessa handle this revelations about Mandys past.....I can't see her forgive her, hugging her or something like that, but maybe offer a hand, help her when she is put on trial/in jail.\nVisit her while she is in the psychiatry.....maybe help her get a chance to explain everything to Dylan and Valerie.\n\nWhat is important, I think, is too understand that Vanessa could have been what Mandy became.\nShe might have been just lucky to not have met them.....now I want to know why Vanessa was to down at the start of the story....what is her story?\nWhat caused Vanessa to start smoking and have such a jaded personality at the beginning?",
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"body": "[quote]\"onlyobione\":/users/2279366 said:\nYou see, I would accept that answer and conceid that she hasn't tried to kill anyone before (which ignores the blackmailing, threats of violence and rape, and the sheer glee she takes in ruining lives which I brought up in my other post), except for one thing:\n\n[i]She's having fun while she's try to murder them.[/i]\n\nShe is laughing, making quips out loud and to herself, she's even gave Vanessa a false sense of hope before she summoned her Reflect shield. These aren't the actions of someone who's acting out of frustration, fear, paranoia, anger, or anything else. These are also not the actions of someone who is commiting murder for the first time since she had a mental breakdown and slaughtered the cult that tortured her for years.\n\nThese are the actions of characters like the Joker, Freddy Krueger, or Deadpool, characters who not only have murder countless people, but enjoy it just as much as Mandy was enjoying beating the hell out of Vanessa and Alex. So I'm going to trust that the way gammainks wrote Mandy is correct and that she was having the time of her life when she threw Vanessa into the air while hoping she landed with a splat in front of her boyfriend, and those aren't the actions of someone who was pushed over the edge, those are the actions of someone who didn't want her victims to escape her grasp and was willing to kill them for simply not wanting to be her targets for torture.\n[/quote]\n\nThey are not mutually exclusive possibilities. It's entirely possible for someone who at one point WANTED to be better, to end up being pushed over the edge and then just... Give up, and embrace the crap that was forced on him. That doesn't excuse what Mandy has done, no. It does make the whole thing tragic and sad and UNDERSTANDABLE, which is not the same thing as SYMPATHETIC.",
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"body": "[quote]\"gleebius_dooblesnorb\":/users/850878 said:\nOH [b][i]S H I T[/i][/b]\n\nangst?? in MY gammainks art??????????????\n\nso many plot twists lmao\n[/quote]\n\nYep, and people are blowing a gasket over the tonal shift",
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"body": "[quote]\"pivo\":/users/15839 said:\nAt the very least I don't think she's made any other conscious decision to kill someone since being captive. She's confident in her [i]ability[/i] to kill since she's done it before (quite possibly even as part of her duties before turning on her captors), but she sure made it sound like it was her last screw coming loose for the first time when she turned on Vanessa and Alex out of pure frustration and paranoia.\n[/quote]\n\nYou see, I would accept that answer and conceid that she hasn't tried to kill anyone before (which ignores the blackmailing, threats of violence and rape, and the sheer glee she takes in ruining lives which I brought up in my other post), except for one thing:\n\n[i]She's having fun while she's try to murder them.[/i]\n\nShe is laughing, making quips out loud and to herself, she's even gave Vanessa a false sense of hope before she summoned her Reflect shield. These aren't the actions of someone who's acting out of frustration, fear, paranoia, anger, or anything else. These are also not the actions of someone who is commiting murder for the first time since she had a mental breakdown and slaughtered the cult that tortured her for years.\n\nThese are the actions of characters like the Joker, Freddy Krueger, or Deadpool, characters who not only have murder countless people, but enjoy it just as much as Mandy was enjoying beating the hell out of Vanessa and Alex. So I'm going to trust that the way gammainks wrote Mandy is correct and that she was having the time of her life when she threw Vanessa into the air while hoping she landed with a splat in front of her boyfriend, and those aren't the actions of someone who was pushed over the edge, those are the actions of someone who didn't want her victims to escape her grasp and was willing to kill them for simply not wanting to be her targets for torture.",
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"body": "Awwww ): I feel really bad for her, Gammainks making the best stories, I love this!! ",
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"body": "[quote]\"onlyobione\":/users/2279366 said:\n2) Who to say that Vanessa and Alex are her first victims? I admit this is more speculative than anything but thoughout this comic, Mandy has been confident with her blackmail and murder attempt (until it backfire of her), and she's done it with such proficiency that could only come from experience. And given that she's not in prison and so confident about her plans proves that she's gotten away with her cruelty in the past.\n[/quote]\n\nAt the very least I don't think she's made any other conscious decision to kill someone since being captive. She's confident in her [i]ability[/i] to kill since she's done it before (quite possibly even as part of her duties before turning on her captors), but she sure made it sound like it was her last screw coming loose for the first time when she turned on Vanessa and Alex out of pure frustration and paranoia.",
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"body": "OH [b][i]S H I T[/i][/b]\n\nangst?? in MY gammainks art??????????????\n\nso many plot twists lmao",
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"body": "[quote]\"onlyobione\":/users/2279366 said:\nHere's the thing; if killing her is too extreme (unless Mandy keeps attacking them, at which point it's sadly inevitable) and prison is not a good option for her, the only other choice Vanessa and Alex have is to let her get away with everything she's done.\n\nThey can't call the police, because they'll arrest her and she'll definitly get charged with blackmain, threatening to harm someone, threatening to rape someone, and two accounts of attempted murder; she'll get 20 years to life easy with those charges.\n\nPlus look at it from Mandy' perspective; she had just tried to murder two victims of her sadistic power play for practically no reason, and they decide to let her leave just because Vanessa saw her memories? She won't learn anything from it; worse, she probably take it as a sign that she's right to do those things because her victims practically told her so with their actions.\n\nBecause there are two points people are forgetting;\n\n1) Mandy didn't do this casually, or reluctantly, or out of desperation; she went out of her way to hurt two innocent co-workers she didn't know anything about for her own twisted pleasure. For goodness sakes; she was giving full blown villain monologues to Alex about how much she's enjoying making the two of them suffer for no reason other than she wanted to make them suffer. Despite her backstory, or because of it, Mandy is a sadist who is willing and capable of doing anything to hurt people because she enjoys doing so.\n\n2) Who to say that Vanessa and Alex are her first victims? I admit this is more speculative than anything but thoughout this comic, Mandy has been confident with her blackmail and murder attempt (until it backfire of her), and she's done it with such proficiency that could only come from experience. And given that she's not in prison and so confident about her plans proves that she's gotten away with her cruelty in the past.\n\nTL;DR? If Mandy wants her redemption arc, it can only begin when she steps inside a prison cell. Anything else would be either too extreme or too meaningless to consider.\n[/quote]\n\nI think a psychiatric ward would be more fitting.",
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"body": "[quote]\"jackthelegend\":/users/2279632 said:\nCuz apparently Gamminks is everyone's lord and savior and as much i love him for making Fubuki,Alex,Marron the farmer girl leafeon, Vanessa,Valerie, Alex and Dylan,he's dragging us by our nuts with this crap.\n\nCool dude. Probably sees all these comments and knows I'm getting cooked and knows I dont care and neither should he,but goddamn do I need to see Vanessa's thick ass in a wedding dress with them garter belt white stockings. \n\nIf there's one thing I love about the man: his wholesome vibes. \n\nI dont do NTR,Cheating,Cuckold,Netori,Netorarse etc. I would never forgive myself for getting so hooked on to this man if he did some hurtful shit like that. \n\nI can't. I cannot bro. Wholesome vibes gives me hope that maybe there's hope for even my crazy ass but I'll be damned if he ruins all that shit\n[/quote]\n\nAre you okay? I ask this in the best possible of faiths and with absolutely zero judgment in my words whatsoever, but my curiosity is piqued. How much of a concern for you is this comic, the path its story is currently going down, and its rate of update?",
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"body": "Somehow, this comic keeps finding new limits to break, and with this latest part, it's easily broken the limit for interaction: Not counting comments on the first three pieces, this has over 100 comments in less than a day, and as of this comment, still rapidly rising. Not that I watch closely, but not even big parts like the \"Vanessa snaps\" and \"Mandy about to be finished\" pages came close to this many this quickly, let alone already being exceeded here.\n\nHow are you doing this, Gamma? Reveal your secrets!\n\n\n[section=Abbreviating for convenience, replying to a couple things]\n[quote]\"bundtlet32\":/users/2213424 said:\nthere's a lot to unpack here... Not to worry. Our dear friend Evertide will come in to save the day!!!\n\nalright seriously, holy smokes... I have no words for this myself. All I can think with that last panel is, \"what now?\"\n\nedit: once again I find \"this song\":https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwsNewKWNQs to be a fitting piece. if we're lucky, maybe it will change to something \"calmer and nicer...\":https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctR4PQ3hnIs\n[/quote]\n\nI've been \"unpacking,\" or more accurately giving my own interpretations and thoughts, on the other parts too, but if you were really looking for me, well, \"*points above*\":https://e621.net/posts/5639677#comment-9118439\n\nThanks for mentioning me, but my reactions are no better or worse than yours, you know, so take it all in and share your own too :)\n\n[quote]\"yangyin\":/users/1291285 said:\n[section=To put them in the same place]\nShe hurt the ones she loved in order to protect them from the organization.\n\nThinking her firmly in their clutches, they decided she was far better as a weapon than she was a breeder and gave her a stone to unlock her true potential.\n\nIn their arrogance, they believed her to be fully under their control. Just like the \"Good old days\" back at the facility.\n\nBut in the end, that arrogance proved to be their undoing.\n\nAnd for their actions, they paid the ultimate price.\n\n---\n\nSo, from the looks of it, Mandy was working for the organization for a while after breaking up with Dylan and assaulting Valerie.\n\nIt would have been only after she evolved into a Gardevoir (They let her because they were no longer interested in breeding her) that they gave her the mega stone. It would have been pointless to give her it unless she evolved first. Just makes me wonder how long it would have been between evolving and offering the stone.\n\nThis potentially leaves a lot of gaps chronologically between Mandy rejoining the organization and her killing her tormentors. What was the organization using her for if they were not using her for breeding? What other projects was the organization doing alongside the breeding program? What was the end goal of the breeding program? Who was funding the research? Who exactly were They anyway?\n\nQuestions, questions, questions.\n\nWith the supposed destruction of the organization and the death of it's members, we may never know. If they were funded by an outside organization, then I fear that whatever they were doing will not end with them. Another organization may spring up, and more of Them may come to continue the work their predecessors left behind. \n\nPerhaps one of Them survived Mandy's wrath (Though not without some kind of disfigurement) and has begun working on rebuilding the organization from the ashes of the old.\nPerhaps it was the head female, perhaps not. Regardless, I'll be disappointed if gamma doesn't elaborate on exactly what these guys were doing for all these years. It could make for a good\nstory arc, with all the partners working together (with a reformed Mandy) to take down the true heads of the organization once and for all. \n\nAnyway. After all that, I genuinely hope Mandy does indeed get reformed after all this. As I said before, the girl needs a hug after what she's been through. And from the looks of it, Vanessa might be in the perfect position to give her one.\n\n---\n\nAdmittedly, them being ghosts was only a theory of mine, though I still think they look the way they do due to her own psychological trauma not allowing her to remember them as anything other than terrifying monsters.\n[/section]\n[/quote]\n\nI've found myself thinking many of the same things you have, especially after reading your comments on this whole flashback sequence, and I think you have some great ideas. For instance, wondering if Mandy got [i]all[/i] of them, or at least enough of them that she's sure she did, hence why she's not living in hiding. But what if at least one got away, either from her or she dealt a huge enough blow that they're still recovering but there are others still in the shadows?\n\nAnd for that matter, what about any other kids who may have yet survived, what are their fates? Did any of them escape when she got her revenge? Did any escape when she broke free the first time? Or are there any still under someone's control?\n\nAnd while her purpose in this whole plan is still up to reader interpretation as of now, my guesses are: An ideal battler, a tool/weapon to be used for committing other crimes, a future soldier in an army, or as we've both guessed, breeding stock to make the perfect offspring to fill those roles. And none of them are mutually exclusive even if she has more optimal use in one role or another. Besides, you can bet They still used threats against Valerie and Dylan to keep her under control, though she looks pretty well broken. Who's to say what she did during that time?\n\nIt still makes my stomach churn (yes I know this is fiction but I feel slightly physically ill) to think she might have had to produce at least one \"perfect IVs/nature/inherited moves\"-type offspring who's out there somewhere.\n\nI hope They, one way or another, come back someday too so we can get some answers. And so, if anyone has a chance to fight a worse evil and purge the sins from her own soul, it's Mandy. But I'm more than satisfied with what we've been given. And if Jolteon or Flareon Partner have their own plot points and drama but on a smaller scale, won't hear a single complaint from me. I have my own little ideas for Bianca, too, and why she is the way that she is that could make her comic (if she gets one) have obstacles for her to overcome.\n\nAs for what Vanessa is going to do now? Heck if I know. Maybe share some painful memory of her own with Mandy, if a shorter one, to show a time when she saw no future worth living and was ready to end it all, herself, but she didn't and ever since, she's known she was right not to. Or she'll slay Mandy's innermost monster that we're seeing here, at least to show Mandy that inner demons have to be fought, which maybe breaks Mandy's psychic powers.\n\nI maintain my opinion that Mandy is unfixable. After her childhood in captivity, she'd had too much damage done to her during many of her developmental years that I can't see her ever fully healing. This has only cemented it further. But after seeing her during the Dylan/Valerie years, and seeing that she gave her life for the people she loved (in enough of a way that I think it's true enough), I'm still not convinced she's unsavable.\n\nOf course, whatever Gamma wants to do is up to Gamma, and if they say there's going to be a long break before doing anything more elaborate than the traditional Partners for a while, highly understandable. They overdelivered beyond reckoning with this one.\n[/section]\n\n[section=And since people have been talking about their mental playlists, sharing mine. I rarely have music in my head when I'm reading a story, but this has been too dramatic not to. You're welcome to tell me my tastes are crap; my flame shields are still up.]\nIn order:\nVanessa snaps: \"But The Earth Refused To Die\" - Undertale\nThe battle: \"Vs. 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"body": "[quote]\"faggotryconfirmed420\":/users/389524 said:\nIt's really exhausting to be waiting for the free updates to the comic (haven't even looked in the direction of gamma's patreon yet) and seeing all these impatient ass people throwing bitch fits at every opportunity because suddenly the wholesome porn comic isn't wholesome and there isn't any sex going on or the villain of the story actually has a story of her own, assuming the absolute worst of the outcome\nI'm just here because gamma draws anthro pokemon really well and this comic sunk it's claws into me because I like the office attire\n[/quote]\n\nAmen.\nI would like to see Mandy get her redemption because I want to see a good ending.\nThat does not mean that there is suddenly rainbows everywhere or that Vanessa suddenly kisses Mandy.\nMandy needs to pay for the damage she has done, but just killing her (like someone desperately wishes) is way to easy and not Gammas style.\nHis storys are hopeful ones.....not something like sin city.",
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"body": "Why is there beef in this comment section ðŸ˜",
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"body": "[quote]\"tf2_heavy\":/users/112262 said:\nhonestly i don't like Mandy and could care less if she survives or dies and i've been saying if a redemption happens it will be a long arduous one (if it will happen at all) plus while i feel bad for her past self and not her current one she still needs to own up to the damages she caused\n[/quote]\n\nIt's really exhausting to be waiting for the free updates to the comic (haven't even looked in the direction of gamma's patreon yet) and seeing all these impatient ass people throwing bitch fits at every opportunity because suddenly the wholesome porn comic isn't wholesome and there isn't any sex going on or the villain of the story actually has a story of her own, assuming the absolute worst of the outcome\nI'm just here because gamma draws anthro pokemon really well and this comic sunk it's claws into me because I like the office attire",
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"body": "[quote]\"faggotryconfirmed420\":/users/389524 said:\nIt's like I've been saying, don't be throwing a fit because the story is multi-faceted. This isn't a case of the artist ruining their comic with topics it \"didn't need\" or \"bogging down the run with shitty characters\"\nThis is a case of butthurt losers who can't just sit patiently and wait to see what happens next without ASSUMING the quick redemption arc is gonna happen and have to bitch and moan through the whole process, souring the experience for everyone\n\nI didn't like Mandy showing up in the middle of my slice of life comic to start the blackmail and potential NTR subplots either, but at least Mandy's bitch ass got the chip knocked off her shoulder\n[/quote]\n\nhonestly i don't like Mandy and could care less if she survives or dies and i've been saying if a redemption happens it will be a long arduous one (if it will happen at all) plus while i feel bad for her past self and not her current one she still needs to own up to the damages she caused",
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"body": "[quote]\"tf2_heavy\":/users/112262 said:\ndude can't apparently comprehend the word storytelling\n[/quote]\n\nI know right, When did furries start being media illiterate?",
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"body": "On another note, THIS ISN'T THE SAME WORLD AS OUR OWN, the laws are BOUND to be different in one way or another",
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"body": "[quote]\"faggotryconfirmed420\":/users/389524 said:\nThe backstory reveal was inevitable, especially with Mandy constantly talking about how \"I would know how cutthroat the world is\" and other type shit, Plus Vanessa and Mandy are both psychics so the memory slideshow is the best way to get the backstory out that gamma hinted to earlier in the comic\nThere's no dialogue other than Vanessa Wondering what happened and why she's seeing this shit, everything else is just Mandy's life up until this point\nWill it affect Vanessa's view of Mandy? Yes\nWill she suddenly forgive her for what she did to her and Alex and give the bitch a hug? Absolutely not\n[/quote]\n\ndude can't apparently comprehend the word storytelling",
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"body": "[quote]\"jackthelegend\":/users/2279632 said:\nTell me bro. How do you feel innocent people getting raped in prison? I would LOVE to see what imaginary world where prisons attempt to rebillatate it's inmates but just like Mandy. Not everyone can be fixed. \n\nI also curious what German prisons got compared to American Prisons. \n[/quote]\n\nfirst you come with this [quote]\"jackthelegend\":/users/2279632 said:\nYou're German? that explains alot. 😬\n[/quote] and then expect me to explain shit to you? screw that\n\n\n\n",
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"body": "[quote]\"jackthelegend\":/users/2279632 said:\nCuz he ain't. We started with Vanessa now we getting Mandy's backstory. As if the bitch needed one. \n[/quote]\n\nThe backstory reveal was inevitable, especially with Mandy constantly talking about how \"I would know how cutthroat the world is\" and other type shit, Plus Vanessa and Mandy are both psychics so the memory slideshow is the best way to get the backstory out that gamma hinted to earlier in the comic\nThere's no dialogue other than Vanessa Wondering what happened and why she's seeing this shit, everything else is just Mandy's life up until this point\nWill it affect Vanessa's view of Mandy? Yes\nWill she suddenly forgive her for what she did to her and Alex and give the bitch a hug? Absolutely not",
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"body": "[quote]\"jackthelegend\":/users/2279632 said:\nCuz he ain't. We started with Vanessa now we getting Mandy's backstory. As if the bitch needed one. \n[/quote]\n\nsays who? you just because you don't like what's here? if that's so then leave nobody forces you to stay",
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"body": "[quote]\"jackthelegend\":/users/2279632 said:\nTHANK YOU. SEE THIS IS COMMMON SENSE. 20 years to life? I been told yall this shit. \n[/quote]\n\n\n\n[quote]\"jackthelegend\":/users/2279632 said:\nTHANK YOU. SEE THIS IS COMMMON SENSE. 20 years to life? I been told yall this shit. \n[/quote]\n\nwho the fuck is \"y'all\" I've been trying to tell people she's not getting away Scott free, you're the one raving about how gamma isn't capable of writing a good ending to this shit",
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"body": "[quote]\"jackthelegend\":/users/2279632 said:\nYou're German? that explains alot. 😬\n[/quote]\n\nReally? really now that's all you can think of?",
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"body": "[quote]\"kotosuccy\":/users/1297684 said:\ncome for the porn stay for the full-length manga\n[/quote]\n\nFr, same",
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"body": "[quote]\"xxsnake69xx\":/users/988044 said:\nSo... DXL reincarnated?\n[/quote]\n\nsure as hell seems like it",
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"body": "So... DXL reincarnated?",
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"body": "[quote]\"jackthelegend\":/users/2279632 said:\nAnd you know this how? Cuz I could sworn they're there to keep the worst of the worst locked up. And they shouldn't. \n\nLook who yall fools voted as our fucking president. We stuck with that clown cuz yall worship that orange cheeto fat looking mf. \n\nMeanwhile his bf Musk be confused as hell thinking he know how to run a country vs running his damn failures of companies. \n[/quote]\n\nI'm German ya asshat (thank you for thinking only Americans use the internet) and Prisons here (well all in Europe generally) help you to reintegrate into society instead of throwing you out on your ass when your time is up or use you for cheap labor like American Prisons do. and keeping the worst of the worst locked up should be common sense but you think people only go to jail for murder and other just as hard stuff? think again ",
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"body": "[quote]\"jackthelegend\":/users/2279632 said:\nThat's EXACTLY what this shit is. Gammainks is about to give the dumbass fanbase the most sorriest redemption of all fiction. He already had Mandy killed her tormentors. She's covered in fucking blood for fycks sake. Let's go all the way and let the bitch rot in jail or off herself.\n\nBut he knows he can't nor do he know how. \n[/quote]\n\nwhy are you just assuming Gamma is bending to the fanbase? it's nowhere (here or their Patreon) to be implied that that's the case they are writing the story how they want not how we want. and you want to know why people think you're that dante guy? you're just as hung up on Mandy getting into prison or killed like he is well was",
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"body": "But it refused 🙂",
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"body": "On an unrelated note to this comic, I'm looking forward to the knights endeavor comic because I'm loving the designs of the characters. ",
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"body": "I just want to share my thoughts as well cause this comic kept me thinking.\n\nThis part shows that's Mandy has killed her tormentors so question.\n \nWhy did she attack Alex and Vanessa? To tie up loose ends? Out of pettiness because her blackmail failed? \n\nI've been reading a lot of the comments and I feel like Mandy does not deserve forgiveness for what she has done.\n\nYes she had a hellish life and was forced to push her friends for their own safety but there's just this aching feeling that I do not want Mandy to be forgiven at least not immediately.\n\nWanna share some scenarios for future pages\n\n1. Mandy gets arrested and gets rehabilitated, and through time (visits from Vanessa, Alex, Valeria, Dylan), Mandy slowly heals.\n\n2. Vanessa and Alex let go of Mandy and she ultimately leave and states that she will resign and leave the company and the couple, and maybe in future comics, Mandy returns looking healthy, happy and thankful that she was given mercy \n\n3. And this is unlikely considering Gammainks style is more wholesome, that Mandy continued to attack Vanessa which leaves her no choice but to end her, which for Mandy's final moments she says thanks as her suffering ends\n\nI know this was already shared from other comments, just want to get it out of my head.\n\nWhatever comes next I do hope the first one is what happens cause it meant that Mandy paid for her crimes but still gets the chance to be better\n\nThanks for reading my thoughts and opinion",
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"body": "[quote]\"jackthelegend\":/users/2279632 said:\nAnd? He's right tho. It's not my fault that yall think applying forgiveness to a bitch who killed her tormentors,assaulted Valerie,cheated on Dylan,Tried to sexortion with Alex and even attempted against Vanessa and Alex.\n\nNo shit sherlock,What the fuck did you expect?? Like I said,Mandy's mind is too far gone. Either let her off herself or let her rot in jail where she can no longer get out ever again. \n\nThis isn't My Little Pony. You can't keep this forgiveness/pacifism bullshit going forever. You need to fucking wake up and realize that SOME people can NOT be saved. \n\nI'm sorry but it's true. Idgaf if Gamminks proves wrong me or not. Cuz if he doesn't,he doesn't have the balls to write a character getting killed off besides Mandy's tormentors. \n\n\n\n\n[/quote]\n\nbruh what the fuck the cheating thing has already been debunked in the last few pages god fucking dammit. now it makes me really think you're that other guy because he was also so hung up on the cheating thing.\n\n[quote]\"br33d3r\":/users/470149 said:\nHow am I a coward?\nPlease explain, because now I think you are like Mandy....a person with problems.\nBeen going out lately....it is great.....many different people with different opinions that don't start hurling insults at each other.\n\n[/quote]\n\ndamn he really do be sounding like that other guy who went the coward route when nobody agreed with him anymore",
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"body": "[quote]\"jackthelegend\":/users/2279632 said:\nNeither do you. You want her to get off scott free. Fucking coward. What Gamminks needs to do is end this shit so I never see this failure of a Gardevoir on my mf screen. \n\nNegative points be damned. \n[/quote]\n\nHow am I a coward?\nPlease explain, because now I think you are like Mandy....a person with problems.\nBeen going out lately....it is great.....many different people with different opinions that don't start hurling insults at each other.\n",
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"body": "[quote]\"faggotryconfirmed420\":/users/389524 said:\nThat redemption will be really hard fought, I'm not sure if all the yiff has made it to where some folks on here are just stupid, but i never got the idea that anyone wants a quick redemption arc just because gamma made sure to give Mandy a deep backstory, let alone that the redemption would happen before she served time for what she did to Alex and Vanessa \n[/quote]\n\nOh, it would feel very cheap if it wasn't hard fought, to be sure. I just want it to be possible, and to see the very first steps of it shown here, so that all of this can end on a hopeful note, with everything fixed for Vanessa and Alex, and Mandy having the first baby steps of making things right. Maybe her arc could be its own comic. Or maybe Gammainks, with the focus on generally light hearted stories, could just end Mandy's story on that hopeful note and move back to more overtly sweeter things. It just needs to have a little light of hope there to fit with the generally optimistic and sweet tone of Gamma's stories, I believe.",
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"body": "[quote]\"hentaitime87\":/users/1599420 said:\nI really hope Gammainks threads the needle of having Mandy need to atone and face justice for the crap she's done while also being able to be redeemed and come out the other side at least capable of having a happy ending. Redemption stories are so beautiful but hard to write; I like to think Gamma could make it work.\n[/quote]\n\nThat redemption will be really hard fought, I'm not sure if all the yiff has made it to where some folks on here are just stupid, but i never got the idea that anyone wants a quick redemption arc just because gamma made sure to give Mandy a deep backstory, let alone that the redemption would happen before she served time for what she did to Alex and Vanessa ",
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"body": "[quote]\"jackthelegend\":/users/2279632 said:\nDoes people think giving me negative points are gonna make me stop? Fuck no. [b]I don't not care.[/b] \n[/quote]\n\nWell hey. You said it, not me.",
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"body": "I really hope Gammainks threads the needle of having Mandy need to atone and face justice for the crap she's done while also being able to be redeemed and come out the other side at least capable of having a happy ending. Redemption stories are so beautiful but hard to write; I like to think Gamma could make it work.",
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"body": "[quote]\"jackthelegend\":/users/2279632 said:\nRight...she's going out some way. Jail is too easy for her and you know it. \n\n[/quote]\n\nAlright smart guy, I'm sure if someone pays gamma enough, they'll do exactly that. To hell with deeper meanings or even complicated situations, just blow the bitch's brains out in one comic panel \n\nWouldn't that be an EXCEPTIONAL end of the storyline, definitely not at all a waste of both time AND potential",
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"body": "[quote]\"faggotryconfirmed420\":/users/389524 said:\nObviously she isn't going to go to jail for life, clearly no one's cared about the shapeless people she killed that experimented on her otherwise she wouldn't have been out and about to blackmail or attempt murder. Mandy's redemption isn't going to be some cheap and easy \"I had a dark backstory, i did awful things to you and your partner but I see the error of my ways now\" slop\nAnd I HIGHLY doubt that Mandy's just gonna get put down like some rabid dog\n[/quote]\n\nAnd TRUST me, there are more people who have said something along the lines of \"this character has had their backstory shown, that DEFINITELY means he/she is gonna get away with all the crimes they committed\"",
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"body": "[quote]\"jackthelegend\":/users/2279632 said:\nStart from when we first saw Mandy first the very first time abd she started blackmailing Alex to this exact point. Watch ALL the comments especially where most talked about: [i]oh the bitch deserves a second chance. \n[/i]\n\nNo tf she doesn't. She's too far gone . At least she'll be happy she'll free from life of pain if she offs herself and or she possibly going to jail for life. \n\n[/quote]\n\nObviously she isn't going to go to jail for life, clearly no one's cared about the shapeless people she killed that experimented on her otherwise she wouldn't have been out and about to blackmail or attempt murder. Mandy's redemption isn't going to be some cheap and easy \"I had a dark backstory, i did awful things to you and your partner but I see the error of my ways now\" slop\nAnd I HIGHLY doubt that Mandy's just gonna get put down like some rabid dog",
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"body": "[quote]\"jackthelegend\":/users/2279632 said:\nTell that to all the dumbasses who clearly say otherwise. \n[/quote]\n\nWhere? Please give me the receipts, since you're clearly up to date",
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"body": "[quote]\"jackthelegend\":/users/2279632 said:\nNeither do you. You want her to get off scott free. Fucking coward. What Gamminks needs to do is end this shit so I never see this failure of a Gardevoir on my mf screen. \n\nNegative points be damned. \n[/quote]\n\nBut \n\n[quote]\"jackthelegend\":/users/2279632 said:\nNeither do you. You want her to get off scott free. Fucking coward. What Gamminks needs to do is end this shit so I never see this failure of a Gardevoir on my mf screen. \n\nNegative points be damned. \n[/quote]\n\nOh geez, you really are a fucking idiot aren't you? Just because someone got to see a slideshow of this bitch's memories every two braincell having lizard thinks she isn't going to be punished for what she did to Vanessa and Alex AT LEAST",
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"body": "[quote]\"jackthelegend\":/users/2279632 said:\nBro this shit been going on for fucking FOREVER. We in too fucking deep for people to calm down. I came for wholesome shit and cute shit that gave me hope in humanity now we getting backstory for an evil bitch who tried to kill one of my favorite characters and her man in the Gammainks alongside the fact we know why Valerie hates Mandy because the fact she ASSAULTED her. \n\nYeah bro it's too late for us to calm down. We need this shit to end.\n[/quote]\n\nYou're literally acting like someone not mature enough to handle multiple topics in one comic run, I will freely admit that I began reading this comic because I liked the slice of life vibes where Vanessa starts as a burnt out office worker who got a chance to be happy again \nBut you GOTTA realize that gamma wants this particular comic run to be more than what it started out as, and throwing a hissy fit because it's not wholesome anymore only makes you look immature ",
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"body": "Geez wait until Valerie learns about this. ",
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"body": "[quote]\"straightupmia\":/users/474133 said:\nIt's interesting imagery but it's a little hard to tell the exact chronology.\nLike how long ago did they destroy all those \"people\" using her? Was it long ago and she tried to be \"normal\" alone (and failed miserably)? Did she only recently do it?\nIt seems like a lot of it is still 100% her fault for perpetuating a lot of outlandishly petty and outright evil workplace drama/blackmail. Mandy seems to have exhausted a lot of effort in being outright spiteful and vengeful. I used to hate the world pretty deeply myself but that sort of thing takes way too much energy to maintain especially if there isn't something actively sustaining it.\nJust feels like there's a massive disconnect between this flashback and her motivation is all. I'm just not picturing it.\n\nI feel like I should try to elaborate.\nHer motivation seems to have been keeping her friends safe, and does regret putting on a show and trying to hurt them.\nBut then she's genuinely trying to fight them even after destroying the people trying to blackmail her. Was her motivation tied to the people she killed trying to make her do the workplace drama? Why not destroy them and be done with it? She goes way out of her way to destroy someone who barely had any relation to her in the first place aside from Valerie's poking the metaphorical hornet's nest, which defeats the purpose of her trying to protect her friends.\nShe didn't seem too maliciously prideful outside of the workplace drama, in these flashbacks she seems normal and that's how she \"really\" feels.\nIt just isn't really translating well to me because she goes from trying to keep her friends safe to trying to hurt someone close to them.\n[/quote]\n\nI think I got it!\nThe mega stone is the culprit.\nMandy killed her tormentors after using the stone (probably getting a few nuts unscrewed in the process).\nNow, it either was that or that sudden rush of power gave her a feeling she only had back then with Dylan and Valerie...she felt safe.\nAt least safer, plus this was her own power.....maybe she was shocked what she could do and tried to stop using it.\nBut the problem with gaining power after not having any....it changes you.\n\nI guess she started relying on the stone....to give her the feeling that she can solve her problems.\nOvertime this turned her into someone who is expecting things to go her way....with force if necessary (at least that's what we got too see)\n\nWe might never get the full picture, this flashbacks are more than enough that any number of scenarios is possible.\nStill I think my hunch is right....after all even in official Pokemon lore, Mega Evolution is dangerous and changes the personality of the Pokemon.",
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"body": "This is very sad and it should have never happened to anyone, let alone her...\n,,,HOWEVER, I still don't think Mandy should be let off the hook for anything she's done to Vanessa and Alex.\n\nSo she's killed the group who did this to her (which confirms they weren't ghost types because she was able to kill them, and they were bleeding. Since we're likely not going to hear from them again, I'm just going to refer to the as a Cult for brevity' sake.)\n\nShe is alone, scarred from her actions but has the Mega Stone that caused her to (willingly or unwillingly) kill the cult.\nShe then leaves and gets an office job, and (if I understand things right) meets back up with Dylan (who has lost contact with Valerie somehow) and they start dating only for her to act like a bitch and break up with him again. (I say this because otherwise the Jolly Comic doesn't make sense in context with this comic, as Valerie talks about Mandy and Dylan dating while she wasn't there).\nThen Valerie sends her a pic of her and Dylan post coitus while telling Mandy to go fuck herself for what she did to him (which means Valerie wasn't talking about how Mandy attacked her, but something else we haven't seen.)\n\nAfter this (who knows how long), she sees two of her co-workers getting together and being happy. So she decides (of her own free will, and while taking in great personal pleasure in doing so) blackmails the man into breaking up with her random innocent co-worker. Mandy then threatens the man into dating her against his will, during which reveals she's knows what she's doing is wrong and she is revealing in it to the point where she threatens to rape him just because.\n\nAnd once her backmailing plan fails (in a way that means she won't get punished for it, meaning it isn't a loss for her)?\nShe decides that the best course of action (of her own free will) is to hunt down her two co-workers and attempt to [i]murder[/i] them in broad daylight, just because they didn't want to suffer her pointless cruelty.\n\nThese were all her actions, her choices that she decided to do after the cult was wiped out. She could have gone to get help. She could have tried to be friends with Valerie and Dylan again. She could have thrown away the mega stone that the cult gave her, which is her last physical tie to that part of her life.\n\nBut she didn't. She did what she did, and while her lore dump explains some of the reasons she did it, in my eyes, [i]It doesn't justify a damn thing she done to Vanessa.[/i]",
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"body": "[quote]\"pivo\":/users/15839 said:\nYou sound an awful lot like the same guy who was saying a week or two ago that Vanessa needs to run her through because there's no other \"good\" outcome to this.\n[/quote]\n\nI think that's because he is....at least his account is only about a week old.\n",
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"body": "She hurt the ones she loved in order to protect them from the organization.\n\nThinking her firmly in their clutches, they decided she was far better as a weapon than she was a breeder and gave her a stone to unlock her true potential.\n\nIn their arrogance, they believed her to be fully under their control. Just like the \"Good old days\" back at the facility.\n\nBut in the end, that arrogance proved to be their undoing.\n\nAnd for their actions, they paid the ultimate price.\n\n\n",
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