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      "body": "[quote]\"charliethedummy\":/users/313718 said:\ninteresting, artwork is upward in photoshop cause its easier to work with it but after conveting it into jpg i just rotaded it, this must screwed up something\ni debated with myself and few fellow artiists for a long time and i think sideways for this one is superior \n[/quote]\n\nOookay, that makes it even more odd because removing all metadata with XnView not only shrunk the image file from 1.395.458b to 813.421b but it's also sideways/horizontal (-> raw jpeg data is stored so that by default it renders sideways).\n\nSeems like the JPEG data is sideways but the metadata \"flips\" it back (or at last some renderers turn it again)? Dunno.\nMaybe because of the embedded thumbnail? (or whatever else fills the ~0.5MiB difference).",
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      "body": "[quote]\"kalider\":/users/579505 said:\nOn my end both those cases are \"upward\" but when downloading, FiFo displays it sideways.\n\n\n\nYou computer generated(?) image has EXIF data for some reason (XnView):\n\n[code]\n[Camera]\nOrientation                   : top-left (1)\nX Resolution                  : 72\nY Resolution                  : 72\nResolution unit               : Inch\nSoftware                      : Adobe Photoshop 24.0 (Windows)\nDate modified                 : 2025:11:19 11:47:36\n[Image]\nColour space                  : Uncalibrated\nEXIF image width              : 2000\nEXIF image length             : 3952\n[Thumbnail]\nCompression                   : 6\nX Resolution                  : 72\nY Resolution                  : 72\nResolution unit               : Inch\nThumbnail offset              : 304\nThumbnail length              : 3192\n[/code]\n\nAnd I'd say the set orientation is not in line with the default.\n-> tools that read EXIF data show it in [i]your[/i] orientation. Tools that don't just show it \"as is\" (according to JPEG standard).\n\nBtw, IrfanView says \"[i]bottom left[/i]\", not \"[i]top-left[/i]\".\n\n------------------\n\nActually it's [i]worse[/i]? I just removed EXIF data and EXIF thumbnail - now the file is ~half as big while the image itself remained the same.\n\nI would(!) suggest re-uploading (or updating this upload? dunno how it works exactly) without the embedded thumbnail and no orientation modification via EXIF (lossless JPEG transformation should work? or export it again?).\n\nBut I prefer the sideways version. Fits better on screens(!).\n[/quote]\n\ninteresting, artwork is upward in photoshop cause its easier to work with it but after conveting it into jpg i just rotaded it, this must screwed up something\ni debated with myself and few fellow artiists for a long time and i think sideways for this one is superior ",
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      "body": "[quote]\"mjej\":/users/127093 said:\nWeird. The thumbnail is tilted upwards but here it's sideways.\n[/quote]\n\nOn my end both those cases are \"upward\" but when downloading, FiFo displays it sideways.\n\n\n\n[quote]\"charliethedummy\":/users/313718 said:\ni did uploaded it sideways but for some reason thumbnail is upwards \n[/quote]\n\nYou computer generated(?) image has EXIF data for some reason (XnView):\n\n[code]\n[Camera]\nOrientation                   : top-left (1)\nX Resolution                  : 72\nY Resolution                  : 72\nResolution unit               : Inch\nSoftware                      : Adobe Photoshop 24.0 (Windows)\nDate modified                 : 2025:11:19 11:47:36\n[Image]\nColour space                  : Uncalibrated\nEXIF image width              : 2000\nEXIF image length             : 3952\n[Thumbnail]\nCompression                   : 6\nX Resolution                  : 72\nY Resolution                  : 72\nResolution unit               : Inch\nThumbnail offset              : 304\nThumbnail length              : 3192\n[/code]\n\nAnd I'd say the set orientation is not in line with the default.\n-> tools that read EXIF data show it in [i]your[/i] orientation. Tools that don't just show it \"as is\" (according to JPEG standard).\n\nBtw, IrfanView says \"[i]bottom left[/i]\", not \"[i]top-left[/i]\".\n\n------------------\n\nActually it's [i]worse[/i]? I just removed EXIF data and EXIF thumbnail - now the file is ~half as big while the image itself remained the same.\n\nI would(!) suggest re-uploading (or updating this upload? dunno how it works exactly) without the embedded thumbnail and no orientation modification via EXIF (lossless JPEG transformation should work? or export it again?).\n\nBut I prefer the sideways version. Fits better on screens(!).",
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      "body": "[quote]\"mjej\":/users/127093 said:\nWeird. The thumbnail is tilted upwards but here it's sideways.\n[/quote]\n\ni did uploaded it sideways but for some reason thumbnail is upwards ",
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      "body": "Weird. The thumbnail is tilted upwards but here it's sideways.",
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