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"body": "[quote]\"gnpfrslo-ejioup\":/users/381094 said:\n\ncan't even go fap these days without major spoilers huh. yeah trying to read as little as possible, but I'm gonna tell you this: If the change changes nothing, then why did the change happen?\nThis is specially true with toby fox; given how much care and attention he gives to the story overall but also to every detail, we know this from undertale, we know this from chapters 1 and 2. The fact that he put the detail in focus somewhere tells me that this detail is important enough to be there and be given focus. It sets a bad precedent, not just for the people who see this as a sign that they can pressure him to change other things, but also that going forward he might consider a priori these reactions and alter the story itself to avoid it.\n\n[spoiler]And this button exists for a reason[/spoiler]\n[/quote]\n\nThe Deltarune/Undertale fandom makes spoiler protection irrelevant: just avoid all social media next time, until you play yourself. Otherwise: your fate is sealed. 😆\n\nBut regarding the topic: considering the smallness of the change I'm retaining hope that he doesn't alter his intended story. As i pointed out, nothing substantial is [b][i]actually[/i][/b] changed by this little detail. And by changing it, the Streisand Effect just draws more attention to the original, anyway.\n\nBut you're right about the precedent it sets. It's always better to [b][i]not bother[/i][/b] changing your art for someone else's sake.",
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"body": "\n[quote]\"temp7\":/users/441762 said:\nI'm not disagreeing with your logic: the deflowering visual metaphor is a very fair connection to make and the change - factually - alters nothing.\n\nI'm just saying that it sends a certain message to the wrong crowd: that complaining enough can get their way with regards to art. The kind of people who abuse the report system instead of using the blacklist.\n[/quote]\n\ncan't even go fap these days without major spoilers huh. yeah trying to read as little as possible, but I'm gonna tell you this: If the change changes nothing, then why did the change happen?\nThis is specially true with toby fox; given how much care and attention he gives to the story overall but also to every detail, we know this from undertale, we know this from chapters 1 and 2. The fact that he put the detail in focus somewhere tells me that this detail is important enough to be there and be given focus. It sets a bad precedent, not just for the people who see this as a sign that they can pressure him to change other things, but also that going forward he might consider a priori these reactions and alter the story itself to avoid it.\n\n[spoiler]And this button exists for a reason[/spoiler]",
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"body": "[quote]\"azoy\":/users/118727 said:\n[i](snip - holy paragraphs Batman!)[/i]\n[/quote]\n\nI'm not disagreeing with your logic: the deflowering visual metaphor is a very fair connection to make and the change - factually - alters nothing.\n\nI'm just saying that it sends a certain message to the wrong crowd: that complaining enough can get their way with regards to art. The kind of people who abuse the report system instead of using the blacklist.",
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"body": "[quote]\"temp7\":/users/441762 said:\nBecause it won't stop there. The change as it is, is petty and purposeless: the fans now know they can make him bend.\n[/quote]\n\nNothing was censored? The intent of the rosepetal scene was supposed to be an analogy to the action that happened, forcing the thorn onto her in order to \"infect\" Noelle with the SOUL possessing Kris, because the thorn ring is a thorn and there's a certain flower we all immediately think of when it comes to thorns. However that came with the implication of deflowering, and combined that with forcing Noelle to do things against her will, people made the rape assumption. Led to some hot ass art but it's not an unfair connection to make, especially because you still are [b][i]literally raping Noelle's soul[/i][/b] both here and in Chapter 2, leading to some even [b]hotter[/b] ass mind-break art. Presumably nobody on the team made the connection, or maybe Toby just has a mindbreak fetish (dude worked on Homestuck afterall so he's probably about as vanilla as chocolate but I'm not going to seriously psychoanalyze the guy on e621 this is just a very long joke), but when fans did make that connection they decided that wasn't what they wanted to make the intent of the scene to be.\n\nSo instead it was changed to being much more literal, using the same... I don't know if you can call a single pixel a graphic but let's just call it one for simplicitys sake, but using the same graphic. The actual contents didn't change, the intent didn't change, the only change was a misconception they didn't want to have happen. This is a personal example I had a couple months ago but I imagine some others might have had with another phrase in their lives, but it's akin to using the phrase \"fucking around with someone\" and when someone misconstrues that as meaning you're literally having sex with them, you then correct them with another phrase (edit for clarification here) like \"messing around\" or \"faffing about\" or whatever and then everyone moves on with their day after being reminded once more than the English language is kind of a mess.\n\nAlso Streisand Effect means that we're probably going to see a lot more Noelle bullying art than we did before which is a strict win in my book. My fetish has been firmly fueled.",
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"body": "[quote]\"temp7\":/users/441762 said:\nHe's right though. Give an inch, they take a mile. The scene is not meaningfully changed, but who knows how Deltarune's unfinished chapters could be altered by this?\n\nAn artist should never be afraid of criticism to the point of censoring their creation. Appeasement in this case is actually setting a dangerous precedent.\n[/quote]\n\nThis would be true if the artist is forced to change their original meaning/intention to appease someone.\n\nBut in this instance, the change is due to his original meaning being misinterpreted by the audience in a way he didn't intend for it to be interpreted.\n\nEveryone's saying he \"censored his original vision\", but it seems to me he just got rid of a small element that was causing people to make an interpretation he never meant to be made. \n\nI don't get how that's censorship or dangerous. He's fixing a mistake, not hiding truth.",
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"body": "[quote]\"badgerreborn\":/users/186922 said:\nToby is too much of a doormat to tell his fanbase to get the fuck over themselves.\n\nHe lacks a backbone and caves easily to hysterical criticism. Self-censorship is never acceptable.\n[/quote]\n\n[quote]\"mobscoob\":/users/188160 said:\nthe rest of the scene is unchanged dude, calm down\n[/quote]\n\nHe's right though. Give an inch, they take a mile. The scene is not meaningfully changed, but who knows how Deltarune's unfinished chapters could be altered by this?\n\nAn artist should never be afraid of criticism to the point of censoring their creation. Appeasement in this case is actually setting a dangerous precedent.\n\n",
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"body": "[b]RAPE!! RAPE! RAPE! RAPE![/b] ",
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"body": "Everyone cheering that the inevitable got drawn, meanwhile here I am all giddy about her cute candy cane-print panties.",
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"body": "It's not just 4chan but I've seen people interpret that scene as SA in literally every platform where the game is being discussed. Surprised no one told Toby while making it ",
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"body": "The soul: I assure you Kris, raping your childhood friend is necessary in order to stop the Roaring",
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"body": "Cant wait for chapter 5",
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"description": "[b]You can't unrape the doe :3[/b]\n\nShe shouldn't have argued with her husband.\n\nAnd many thanks to those who were at the live drawing/colorization of this (^ ◡ ^)"
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